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		<title>By: DianeV</title>
		<link>http://developedtraffic.com/2005/02/14/wordpress-oreilly-and-monetizing-software/comment-page-1/#comment-259</link>
		<dc:creator>DianeV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Larry.  Let&#039;s be clear: are you saying that you don&#039;t understand what Podz is saying, or that you haven&#039;t/won&#039;t be borrowing from his work and the work of others in order to write your book?

While you are free to write your own book, I think the latter would go a long ways towards resolving the poor public relations caused by your statements and building some credibility for your own work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Larry.  Let's be clear: are you saying that you don't understand what Podz is saying, or that you haven't/won't be borrowing from his work and the work of others in order to write your book?</p>
<p>While you are free to write your own book, I think the latter would go a long ways towards resolving the poor public relations caused by your statements and building some credibility for your own work.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://developedtraffic.com/2005/02/14/wordpress-oreilly-and-monetizing-software/comment-page-1/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry,

I think you are being a little bit disingenuous. 
From what I have heard, it sounds like you are taking the guides published freely on the &#039;Net by people like Podz, copying and pasting them into a document, getting O&#039;Reilly to publish this as a book and profiting from this.

This is clearly theft.

If this is not what you are doing, feel free to set the record straight.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,</p>
<p>I think you are being a little bit disingenuous.<br />
From what I have heard, it sounds like you are taking the guides published freely on the 'Net by people like Podz, copying and pasting them into a document, getting O'Reilly to publish this as a book and profiting from this.</p>
<p>This is clearly theft.</p>
<p>If this is not what you are doing, feel free to set the record straight.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Ayers</title>
		<link>http://developedtraffic.com/2005/02/14/wordpress-oreilly-and-monetizing-software/comment-page-1/#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Ayers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Podz is still calling me names.  
I don&#039;t know what I am supposed to have stolen, and don&#039;t really care.

The simple fact is that WordPress really changed my life, and I have undertaken to help people in my area get the stuff installed.  A WordPress advocate, if you will, just as I am a Linux advocate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Podz is still calling me names.<br />
I don't know what I am supposed to have stolen, and don't really care.</p>
<p>The simple fact is that WordPress really changed my life, and I have undertaken to help people in my area get the stuff installed.  A WordPress advocate, if you will, just as I am a Linux advocate.</p>
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		<title>By: DianeV</title>
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		<dc:creator>DianeV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Podz, I had no idea that you get no part of the donations, especially as you&#039;re designated as a developer in the forums. I fully agree that any of us should help only as much as we wish, and should charge for any assistance for which we wish to charge. 

And, actually, I gave your name recently to someone who was looking for paid assistance with basic installation and a bit of CSS work. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Podz, I had no idea that you get no part of the donations, especially as you're designated as a developer in the forums. I fully agree that any of us should help only as much as we wish, and should charge for any assistance for which we wish to charge. </p>
<p>And, actually, I gave your name recently to someone who was looking for paid assistance with basic installation and a bit of CSS work. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Podz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Podz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem was the theft, not the principle.

I too have been told by many people that I should ask for donations, so I put up a button. Total number of clicks from people who read those guides ? None, zero.

Why do you think I now offer zero help for certain aspects of wp ?

Having the label I have probably leads to people thinking that I get something of whatever donations are made. I do not.

The simple fact is that Larry Ayers is a thief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem was the theft, not the principle.</p>
<p>I too have been told by many people that I should ask for donations, so I put up a button. Total number of clicks from people who read those guides ? None, zero.</p>
<p>Why do you think I now offer zero help for certain aspects of wp ?</p>
<p>Having the label I have probably leads to people thinking that I get something of whatever donations are made. I do not.</p>
<p>The simple fact is that Larry Ayers is a thief.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://developedtraffic.com/2005/02/14/wordpress-oreilly-and-monetizing-software/comment-page-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately Diane,

while I agree with your sentiment, I have a feeling that as soon as a charge was levied for WordPress, 100,000 of those 165,000, at least, would desert it for a free alternative.

I know it is not as simple as that, many people would stay on the free version and not upgrade to WordPressPro - the paid version, but you get my point.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately Diane,</p>
<p>while I agree with your sentiment, I have a feeling that as soon as a charge was levied for WordPress, 100,000 of those 165,000, at least, would desert it for a free alternative.</p>
<p>I know it is not as simple as that, many people would stay on the free version and not upgrade to WordPressPro &#8211; the paid version, but you get my point.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: DianeV</title>
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		<dc:creator>DianeV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the book and the charging are separate questions --- and that unofficial guides are extremely helpful.

That said, it&#039;s clear that there is, in at least the one case, upset that free tutorials may be used in the compiling of an unofficial guide to be sold for profit. That may be all it is.

On the other hand, there&#039;s nothing like sinking your heart and soul into something for years on end without satisfactory recompense.  I wouldn&#039;t fault anyone in that situation for wanting something extra.

But of course, I&#039;m just guessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the book and the charging are separate questions &#8212; and that unofficial guides are extremely helpful.</p>
<p>That said, it's clear that there is, in at least the one case, upset that free tutorials may be used in the compiling of an unofficial guide to be sold for profit. That may be all it is.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there's nothing like sinking your heart and soul into something for years on end without satisfactory recompense.  I wouldn't fault anyone in that situation for wanting something extra.</p>
<p>But of course, I'm just guessing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Larry Ayers story is disappointing. I don&#039;t quite know how I missed that one. Still - aside from ill will, there is no way really to stop him writing an unofficial guide. To take a long range view, many of us would know less about computing if the only available guides to software were official sanctioned ones pumped out by the software companies themselves.

With that in mind I think it is useful to break the two parts of your post apart. The book and the charging question are separate. I agree with you in many ways: WordPress is software good enough that it could command a high price. But if that isn&#039;t where the authors want to take it, that&#039;s their call. Of course, people should donate more. Will they? Hell no. The temptation not to is too large.

I have to say that I like the way that WordPress balance their requests for help between the financial and the non-financial. Asking people to help others on the forums, or to contribute to documentation is a lot more realistic a project than expecting everyone to donate money, however useful the latter will be.

I&#039;m sure WP will survive as free to use software. If it does, the reward of the authors is kudos, not cash. But then, that is all they ask for. So it leaves me wondering what exactly the problem is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Larry Ayers story is disappointing. I don't quite know how I missed that one. Still &#8211; aside from ill will, there is no way really to stop him writing an unofficial guide. To take a long range view, many of us would know less about computing if the only available guides to software were official sanctioned ones pumped out by the software companies themselves.</p>
<p>With that in mind I think it is useful to break the two parts of your post apart. The book and the charging question are separate. I agree with you in many ways: WordPress is software good enough that it could command a high price. But if that isn't where the authors want to take it, that's their call. Of course, people should donate more. Will they? Hell no. The temptation not to is too large.</p>
<p>I have to say that I like the way that WordPress balance their requests for help between the financial and the non-financial. Asking people to help others on the forums, or to contribute to documentation is a lot more realistic a project than expecting everyone to donate money, however useful the latter will be.</p>
<p>I'm sure WP will survive as free to use software. If it does, the reward of the authors is kudos, not cash. But then, that is all they ask for. So it leaves me wondering what exactly the problem is.</p>
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